In his playing days, Shaquille O’Neal was one of the most ferocious big men in the league, dominating opponents and racking up championships. Now that his career is over, Shaq has transformed into a lovable basketball television pundit, who doesn’t seem to take anything too seriously.

Now he’s coming to the defense of current NBA star Kyrie Irving, who made headlines at the All-Star Game by telling the media he believed that the Earth is flat. On a recent episode of the “Big Podcast with Shaq,” the man once known as the Big Aristotle break down why he believes that the Earth being round is all just a big conspiracy.

“It’s true. The Earth is flat,” O’Neal said. “The Earth is flat. Yeah it is. Yes, it is. Listen, there are three ways to manipulate the mid — what you read, what you see and what you hear. In school, first thing they teach us is, ‘Oh, Columbus discovered America,’ but then he got there, there were some fair-skinned people with the long hair smoking on the peace pipes. So, what does that tell you? Columbus didn’t discover America. So, listen, I drive from coast to coast, and this sh*t is flat to me. I’m just saying. I drive from Florida to California all the time, and it’s flat to me. I do not go up and down at a 360-degree angle, and all that stuff about gravity. Have you looked outside Atlanta lately and seen all these buildings? You mean to tell me that China is under us? China is under us? It’s not. The world is flat.”

We have no idea if Shaq is being serious here, or just poking fun at the controversy. Regardless, fellow celebrity and podcast aficionado Joe Rogan took the time to try and educate Shaq Daddy.